movies or books where the female villain beats the male hero

• URL: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/roufaj/anyone_else_wish_there_were_more_female_villains/
• A thread on Reddit discussing the lack of well-written female villains in the MCU movies.
• OP wishes for a well-written female villain that sticks around for a while and doesn’t become good.
• Nebula & Wanda are mentioned but they don’t count because they change sides.
• Ghost is forgettable in Antman and Proxima & Ayesha are considered side shows.
• Taskmaster is a villainous woman but deemed not the best one as the impact was not as huge in the movies.
• Hela is considered the best of the bunch but also didn’t make the hugest impact.
• Cate Blanchett played her well but some users think she didn’t have all that much personality.
• One user suggests that Hela was underutilized and disconnected from the good guys for nearly the entire movie.
• Some users suggest that Hela should make a comeback and be properly defeated by a hero.
• Users speculate that Karli from FATWS was decent enough and Agatha from Wandavision was fun but more of a side character.
• Some users recommend reading comics for well-written female villains such as Lady Deathstrike, Emma Frost, and Carol Danvers.
• Fear Itself is mentioned as an arc where Thor’s hammer was seen held by Captain America in a scene.
• One user suggests that a Fear Itself adaptation could even work as an Avengers movie.
• Users also discuss potential storylines for bringing back Hela in a Thor movie.
• Some users believe that if there’s no dead body in a comic book, the character is still alive.
• One user says that slow-motion analysis of the scene shows Hela disappeared in a green flash before the sword hit her.
• Other users disagree and say that Hela literally exploded on screen as the sword cleaved through her.
• Multiple users express hope that Hela will come back but also express concern for how the character may be utilized.
• One user suggests that Death is a two-way street most of the time.

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• URL: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/10fqx4v/any_movies_with_a_female_villain_main_character/
• Date of post: 5 months ago
• The post is titled “Any Movies With a Female Villain Main Character?” and has 102 points.
• The user is seeking movies with a female villain as the main character in the fantasy/superpower or horror genres where the main character wins/doesn’t die.
• Several users recommend movies with female villains, including Kathy Bates in Misery, the Wicked Witch, Hela from Thor, Lena Headey (Mama) in Dredd.
• Some users suggest Maleficent, Castle Rock, and Jennifer’s Body, but these movies do not have a female villain that beats a male hero.
• Blade Runner 2049 is also suggested, but some users question if the villain, Luv, is the main character.
• A few users comment on the definition of “villain” and “main character”.
• Some users discuss Sharon Stone’s character in Basic Instinct, but there is no mention of a female villain beating a male hero.
• There is a thread on the debate about whether or not Maleficent is a villain.
• Users suggest additional movies with female villains, such as Wild Things and Monster, but these movies do not fulfill the user’s requirements.
• Some users praise Jennifer’s Body for having a female protagonist that becomes a villain, but there is no mention of her beating a male hero.
• Overall, the webpage provides information on movies with female villains, but none of the suggestions meet the requirement of a female villain beating a male hero.

• Posts and comments discussing books with truly evil female antagonists in fantasy literature
• A user recommends Lady Oonagh from the Sevenwaters trilogy by Juliet Marillier as a great lady villain (87 karma)
  • traumatized 3 generations of the same family out of hatred for the beings they protect
  • has 0 empathy, uses her own kin as extensions of herself
• Another user recommends The Pale Woman in Hobb’s Realm of The Elderlings series as pure evil, not much airspace till the penultimate trilogy, however, has a strong input. (73 karma)
  • Also mentions the horrible character Dwalia in the final trilogy
• A discussion about sexual elements in The Pale Woman’s story; portrayed as having influence of her evil magic (6 karma, 3 karma, 8 karma)
• Jadis from Narnia recommended as the #1 answer to the subject at hand (61 karma)
• Ayt Mada from The Green Bone Saga is a “stone-cold killer” with sexual elements, but is well-written (45 karma), not 100% evil, more driven and ruthless according to another user (11 karma), a third user finds her slightly empathetic (37 karma)
• A user recommends Melisandre (with an e instead of an a) from Kushiel’s Dart series as a wonderful antagonist (45 karma)
  • Another corrects the spelling (3 karma) as does the original poster (1 karma)
  • She is ruthless, creates wars to further ambitions, causes the death of tens of thousands (21 karma)
  • “Evil for the sake of it” is one-dimensional; Melisandre acts for her own benefit, knowing the consequences (5 karma)
  • Compare to Lady de Winter in “The Three Musketeers” and Saffron from “Firefly” who similarly use and discard people in aid of their personal goals (6 karma)
• The Lady from Chronicles of the Black Company by Glen Cook is also recommended (37 karma)

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• Author is a non-feminist writer who has created female villains in his fiction
• Author received mixed reactions to his female villains and was seeking feedback from feminists
• One Reddit user explains that female characters can be villains, but the criticism may be due to how the character is written or if it reflects harmful stereotypes
• Villain’s motivation and backstory is mentioned as a key factor to good character portrayal
• Fallout games and other post-apocalyptic media are provided as references for good female characters
• Another Reddit user explains that female villains can help empower female characters if written in a positive light
• The author’s roommate had an issue with villains who were female because it may make violence against women more acceptable in media
• No mention of a female villain beating a male hero

Notes: The webpage provides multiple perspectives on female villains but does not offer any assistance on identifying movies or books where the female villain beats the male hero.

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• There is a discussion on male vs female fights in fiction, specifically physical fights.
• The thread started as a question on whether readers pay attention to the aspect of biological strength when male and female warriors fight.
• A user recommended that in fantasy and similar genres, women are often portrayed as more flexible, faster, and more graceful to give them an advantage against physically stronger opponents.
• The OP of the thread asked if it’s plausible that a human woman can defeat a human man in fighting battles for their story.
• Another user suggested making the male protagonist weaker and unskilled while making the female villain exceptionally strong and highly skilled to balance the differences in raw power and weight.
• A user recommended setting up the fight scene much like a novel itself with an intro, point of no return, momentum swings, a darkest hour, and lesson learned as seen in one of the Kung Fu Panda movies.
• One user shared that women with naturally high testosterone levels can become effective fighters, and men who rarely exercise would lack the strength and be prone to defeat.
• A user mentioned that a skilled female warrior or fighter would know what techniques suit her best and may use size/speed/dexterity to enhance her advantage in a fight. Still, sensible warrior knows her limits and how to work with or around them.
• One user shared from personal experience teaching combat martial arts that size and strength don’t necessarily matter, and different moves and different skill sets can make a significant difference for a skilled female fighter.
• One user expressed their opinion that a woman beating a man in a fair fight is pretty unlikely due to biology, physics, and Olympian results that show men are always better in speed, strength, or stamina.
• One user cautioned not to concern themselves about readers and focus on writing compelling stories without pandering.
• The thread also touched on the level of brutality that male vs female fights have in movies, TV, and books and the differences between male villains vs male heroes fights, female villains vs female heroes fights, and male heroes vs female villains fights.
• One user pointed out that media/society often blankets female villains from being beaten up too badly or killed in male hero vs female villain fights rather than let them face the brutal consequences of their actions.
• The thread also discussed how to make a female villain’s defeat less creepy or misogynistic, given that the fight scene seems fair, and the female villain’s defeat feels earned.
• One user shared their favorite fight scene for male vs female fights in Walking Dead’s Michonne vs. The

• A Reddit user posted a topic about Stephen King’s portrayal of female characters on the r/literature subreddit.
• They expressed their disappointment with King’s female characters being either annoying or solely included to be intimate with the male protagonist.
• The user is curious if others agree or disagree with their frustration.
• A comment suggests reading “Gerald’s Game”, “Dolores Claiborne”, “Rose Madder”, “Lisey’s Story”, and “The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon”, which have female protagonists the author depicts strongly (96 karma).
• Another comment mentions that the complaint about King’s female characters is an “unfair” generalization; King has numerous strong female characters throughout his work. They cite “Dolores Claiborne” as an example of a book with an empowered female character (20 karma).
• Another comment suggests “The Dark Tower” series’ character Susannah as a prominent female figure (84 karma).
• A user recommends “Mr. Mercedes” - one of King’s newer works - as having a female character that does not fall into the negative tropes specified (27 karma).
• Another user argues that while King does write strong female characters, they are often used as props to further the male protagonist’s development. They note that having women play villain roles though common is another issue (15 karma).
• The comment describes female villain portrayal as a significant issue in literature that is not unique to King.
• No information is provided on female villains beating male heroes in King’s work.

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• Title of query is “Suggest me a book about a Female villain falling in love with male hero pls”
• A few people in “Suggest me a book about a Female villain falling in love with male hero pls” suggest books that are centered around a female villain or have a female villain as a character.
• The suggestion book titles include: The Black Company by Glen Cook (7 karma, 2 karma); The Stainless Steel Rat by Harry Harrison (2 karma, 1 karma); the Renegades series by Marissa Meyer (2 karma); The Legend Trilogy (1 karma); Waltz into Darkness by William Irish, Cornell Woolrich, Wallace Stroby (3 karma, 1 suggestion); and Mindfuck series by ST Abby (1 karma, 1 suggestion).
• Someone suggests the subreddit r/romancebooks to get more book recommendation (0 karma).
• A redditor says they couldn’t post to r/romancebooks because the bot took it down for not having enough comment karma (3 karma).
• A suggestion of another subreddit called r/newtoreddit as a potential resource for increasing comment karma (6 karma).
• There are bots that have suggested other books or creators in comments to the query.
• There is a website called GoodReads that lists multiple books, some of which include: Saints and Misfits by S.K. Ali, The Disasters by M.K. England, and My Fairy Godmother is a Drag Queen by David Clawson.
• The GoodReads Books Suggestions website shows the requested books by popularity.
• The most popular books in the GoodReads Books Suggestions website include: The Cruel Prince by Holly Black, The Marriage Game by Sara Desai, and The Mafia and His Angel by Lylah James.
• The website GoodReads has been suggested multiple times in the comments.
• Links are provided to Goodreads to find more information on the recommended books mentioned in the comments.

Note: Some additional information was cut out from the notes like the specific suggestions under the Reddit comments as they were already listed in the previous bullet points.

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